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Fact or Fiction? Determining Whether Starting Pitchers Equal Quarterbacks In Fantasy Using "Teams In A Vacuum" Concept

Spencer Strider - Fantasy Baseball Rankings, Draft Sleepers, MLB Injury News

Glenn analyzes whether starting pitchers equal quarterbacks in fantasy using "Teams in a Vacuum" (TIAV) concept. Do the draft strategies for these two positions compare in fantasy?

Do starting pitchers equal quarterbacks when it comes to fantasy sports? In the days of Peyton Manning, there was always a single quarterback in the first-round rankings just like Spencer Strider today. The second-round rankings had Drew Brees and Tony Romo represented in this year’s baseball rankings by Gerrit Cole and Corbin Burnes.

But in fantasy football, some whiz kid figured out that the top quarterbacks score around the same number of points, so you can wait several rounds to draft one. Today’s fantasy football rankings have adjusted accordingly. However, starting pitchers (SPs) remain in the early rounds of fantasy baseball rankings. Rotisserie baseball doesn’t have a standard deviation to calculate, so you still see starting pitchers ranked in the first few rounds. If you draft a starting pitcher in an early round, are you paying too much for too little? What does history say?

Teams In A Vacuum (TIAV) utilizes historical data to draft teams using the Average Draft Position (ADP) and superimposing the fantasy results for the corresponding season. Although historical data for fantasy baseball is not as well archived as fantasy football, I was able to gather the past seven years of ADP lists and season results. For simplicity, ADP and fantasy rankings are used synonymously in this article. Let's look at what the teams are comprised of.

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Table 1 – Baseball Team Positions Drafted by TIAV

Quantity Position
1 First Base
1 Second Base
1 Third Base
1 Short Stop
3 Outfielders
1 Designated Hitter -- filled by next best batter in ADP
4 Starting Pitchers
3 Relief Pitchers

Please note that not enough catchers score in the top 300 players, so the catcher position is not included. 

The scoring categories are taken from the Yahoo rotisserie leagues:

  • Batting -- Runs, Home Runs, Runs Batted In (RBI), Batting Average, Stolen Bases
  • Pitching -- Strikeouts, Wins, Saves, Earned Run Average (ERA), Walks+Hits/Innings Pitched (WHIP)

After all the data is read into the computer, ADP is used as a guide to snake-draft teams for each year. Winning teams are calculated for each season using rotisserie scoring. For each category, teams are awarded points based on the order they finished. In a 10-team league, first place gets 10 points, second gets nine points, and down to last place, which receives one point. All of the points from each category are totaled up to find the winning team.

 

Table 2 – 2022 10-Team Rotisserie League Winner

ADP Player Name Preseason Position End Position Runs Home Runs RBIs Stolen Bases Average Wins ERA Saves Strike Outs WHIP
2 Juan Soto OF1 OF5 93 27 62 6 0.242
19 Ronald Acuna Jr. OF6 OF26 71 15 50 29 0.266
23 Matt Olson 1B3 1B4 86 34 103 0 0.24
42 Paul Goldschmidt 1B4 1B1 106 35 115 7 0.317
45 Liam Hendriks RP2 RP14 4 2.81 37 85 1.04
63 Alex Bregman 3B6 3B5 93 23 93 1 0.259
67 Logan Webb SP20 SP53 15 2.9 0 163 1.16
88 Alek Manoah SP26 SP17 16 2.24 0 180 0.99
93 Edwin Diaz RP5 RP2 3 1.31 32 118 0.84
115 Tommy Edman 2B5 2B4 95 13 57 32 0.265
116 Dansby Swanson SS16 SS4 99 25 96 18 0.277
138 Jorge Soler OF32 OF98 32 13 34 0 0.207
161 Luis Garcia SP46 SP36 15 3.72 0 157 1.13
166 Marcus Stroman SP48 SP102 7 3.51 0 119 1.15
290 Cristian Javier RP29 RP1 11 2.54 0 194 0.95
Team 9

Starting pitchers participate in four of the 10 categories -- strikeouts, wins, ERA, and WHIP. Unfortunately, starting pitchers are generally a drag on ERA. For example, the top-100 2023 starting pitchers averaged a 3.6 ERA while the top-100 relief pitchers (RPs) averaged a 2.9 ERA.

WHIP is generally the equivalent between the two positions. In 2023, the top-100 starting pitchers averaged a 1.15 WHIP while the top-100 relief pitchers averaged a slightly better 1.13 WHIP. In other words, starting pitchers are drafted for their contribution to three categories. Most early-round batters are prioritized above starting pitchers because they contribute to four categories -- runs, home runs, RBI, and batting average.

 

Table 3 – 2022 12-Team Rotisserie League Winner

ADP Player Name Preseason Position End Position Runs Home Runs RBIs Stolen Bases Average Wins ERA Saves Strike Outs WHIP
2 Juan Soto OF1 OF5 93 27 62 6 0.242
24 Xander Bogaerts SS3 SS8 84 15 73 8 0.307
27 Marcus Semien SS4 2B1 101 26 83 25 0.25
50 Pete Alonso 1B5 1B3 95 40 131 5 0.271
54 Nolan Arenado 3B5 3B4 73 30 103 5 0.293
78 Christian Yelich OF22 OF13 99 14 57 19 0.252
82 Carlos Rodon SP23 SP2 14 2.88 0 237 1.03
110 Pablo Lopez SP31 SP66 10 3.75 0 174 1.17
115 Tommy Edman 2B5 2B4 95 13 57 32 0.265
137 Jordan Romano RP10 RP28 5 2.11 36 73 1.02
139 Alex Verdugo OF33 OF23 75 11 74 1 0.28
177 Jacob deGrom SP52 SP18 5 3.08 0 102 0.75
201 Triston McKenzie SP60 SP22 11 2.96 0 190 0.95
313 Dylan Floro RP31 RP155 1 3.02 10 48 1.17
347 Kyle Finnegan RP36 RP60 6 3.51 11 70 1.14
Team 2

The fact that starting pitchers are sprinkled through the first few rounds appears to make a difference depending on the league size. As seen in Table 4, the value of your first SP goes up as the league size increases.

 

Table 4 – Draft Position of First Starting Pitcher on Winning Teams

League Type Year Winning Team First Starting Pitcher Draft Position Preseason Position End Position Roto Points
10-Team Rotisserie 2017 5 Carlos Carrasco 59 - 6th Player on Team SP14 SP5 69
2018 1 David Price 95 - 9th Player on Team SP24 SP26 75
2019 2 Jack Flaherty 66 - 7th Player on Team SP17 SP6 76
2020 4 Shane Bieber 27 - 3rd Player on Team SP7 SP1 76
2021 4 Max Fried 87 - 8th Player on Team SP23 SP26 77
2022 2 Logan Webb 67 - 7th Player on Team SP20 SP53 84
2023 9 Justin Verlander 30 - 3rd Player on Team SP7 SP45 81
Avg. First Starting Pitcher No. 62 - 7th Player on Team
League Type Year Winning Team First Starting Pitcher Draft Position Preseason Position End Position Roto Points
12-Team Rotisserie 2017 7 Carlos Martinez 71 - 6th Player on Team SP18 SP13 98
2018 2 Carlos Martinez 56 - 5th Player on Team SP24 SP26 86
2019 11 Zack Greinke 66 - 6th Player on Team SP16 SP11 102
2020 7 Gerrit Cole 7 - 1st Player on Team SP1 SP5 82
2021 6 Jacob deGrom 6 - 1st Player on Team SP1 SP36 93
2022 2 Carlos Rodon 82 - 7th Player on Team SP23 SP2 96
2023 12 Gerrit Cole 13 - 2nd Player on Team SP2 SP4 78
Avg. First Starting Pitcher No. 43 - 4th Player on Team
League Type Year Winning Team First Starting Pitcher Draft Position Preseason Position End Position Roto Points
16-Team Rotisserie 2017 7 Yu Darvish 40 - 3rd Player on Team SP10 SP15 121
2018 12 Max Scherzer 12 - 1st Player on Team SP24 SP26 126
2019 3 Zack Greinke 65 - 4th Player on Team SP16 SP11 115
2020 13 Walker Buehler 21 - 2nd Player on Team SP5 SP77 134
2021 10 Max Scherzer 24 - 1st Player on Team SP9 SP2 121
2022 7 Luis Castillo 118 - 7th Player on Team SP34 SP27 121
2023 7 Zac Gallen 62 - 4th Player on Team SP20 SP12 117
Avg. First Starting Pitcher No. 48 - 3rd Player on Team

 

Do Starting Pitchers Equal Quarterbacks?

Sometimes. TIAV shows that your first starting pitcher should not be drafted for several rounds in shallow leagues (10-team and less). In deep leagues (16-team and greater), starting pitchers should be considered from the first round. Of course, the vast majority of fantasy baseball leagues are 12 teams.

TIAV shows that the league can be won with a first-round starting pitcher but it is against the odds. Looking at the 2024 rankings, Spencer Strider would have to slip from the late first round to the second round to be considered. Gerrit Cole and Corbin Burnes would have to drop several spots before consideration as well.

The third round would be the first opportunity to draft a starting pitcher at their regular ranking. In other words, Teams In A Vacuum indicates you should be skeptical of drafting a starting pitcher in a 12-team league before the third round. Happy drafting!



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