🖥 CYBER WEEK - TAP TO SAVE 50% WITH CODE CYBER
X
Lost password?

Don't have an account?
Gain Access Now

X

Receive free daily analysis

NFL
NBA
NHL
NASCAR
CFB
MLB
MMA
PGA
ESPORTS
BETTING

Already have an account? Log In

X

Forgot Password


POPULAR FANTASY TOOLS

Expert Advice
Import Your Leagues
Weekly Rankings
Compare Any Players
Projections
Articles & Tools
Weekly Planner
24x7 News and Alerts

2017 Player vs. Player - Jordy Nelson vs. Michael Thomas

Taylor Maxston and Jason Katz conduct a player vs. player debate to determine who is a better ADP value in standard redraft leagues, Jordy Nelson or Michael Thomas.

Fantasy football draft season is upon us and RotoBaller is here to help! In this series, two RotoBaller experts will discuss the merits of two players with similar value and average draft position (ADP). Remember that situations will change for all players over the course of the summer and it may impact where they are selected in drafts.

Our next article comes from staff writers Jason Katz and Taylor Maxston who compare two wide receivers with ADPs that fall around the mid-second to early third round.

Jason argues in favor of last season’s second-highest scoring wideout in Green Bay Packer Jordy Nelson, while Taylor advocates for a player who exploded onto the scene as a rookie (finishing as WR9 in standard scoring) in New Orleans Saints’ wide receiver Michael Thomas.

Be sure to check all of our fantasy football rankings for 2025:

 

Opening Statements: Who Do You Draft?

Jordy Nelson (WR, GB) Has Adapted His Game to Continue to Produce – Jason Katz

I really hate drafting old players. My general rule is no RBs over 30 and no WRs over 31. I made an exception last year for Brandon Marshall and I feel like I got what I deserved. Yet somehow, I’m willing to do it again for Jordy Nelson.

There is no chance I would draft 2014 Jordy Nelson at age 32. After tearing his ACL in 2015, I was justifiably skeptical that he would be able to successfully return at age 31 in 2016. His skillset is just not conducive to overcoming that type of injury at that age. That’s the most amazing part of Nelson. The Jordy Nelson we saw in 2016 was a completely different Jordy Nelson and the 2016 version is a guy who can produce at a high level deeper into his thirties.

Nelson scored 13 touchdowns in 2014. Five them were from 11 yards or closer. One was from 27 yards out. The other seven were from 40+ yards out. In 2016, he clearly lost a step. The thing is, Nelson knew that. He scored 14 touchdowns in 2016. His longest touchdown was 32 yards. 11 of them were 17 yards or shorter. Six of them were from inside five yards. His recognition that he could no longer beat defenders deep the way he used to and his ability to change his game, at age 31, to that of a possession type receiver, and to still be elite while doing it, is nothing short of remarkable. It is indicative of not just his incredible football talent, but also his immense football IQ. Even if the touchdowns dip a bit, there’s no reason he can’t be an elite WR1 with a 90-1200-10 type line. While projecting a decrease in catches, yards, and touchdowns, those numbers would still put Nelson as a mid WR1, which is exactly what he is being drafted to be.

 

Michael Thomas (WR, NO) Has the Ability and Opportunity – Taylor Maxston

It sounds crazy, trying to advocate for drafting an emerging wide-out after an amazing first NFL season over a firmly established fantasy stud with a strong résumé. Before you dismiss this debate as a one-sided argument, let’s talk about why Michael Thomas could outperform Jordy Nelson in the 2017/18 season.

For a rookie to step in and lead the New Orleans Saints in targets, completions, and touchdowns (a stat-line of 121-92-9) shows how trustworthy Michael Thomas became as the go-to-guy straight out of Ohio State. While not possessing the same athletic skillset as the top fantasy wide receivers, his heightened football IQ, physicality in getting separation on routes, and willingness to take contact over the middle allowed him to develop a strong rapport with quarterback Drew Brees early on last season. In the past, Brees has been the driver of Saints’ offenses with a reliable chain-mover producing strong fantasy numbers a-la Marques Colston. Thomas has shown that he wants to fill those shoes while proving to be a sure-handed, competitive wide-out that can be trusted with an even bigger workload.

What does the upcoming fantasy football season hold for Michael Thomas? Since 2006, the New Orleans Saints’ top wide receiver has had an incredibly consistent share of the teams’ targets, never falling below 16% at its lowest and reaching 23% at its peak. Thomas will undoubtedly be that player in 2017 after catching 76% of his targets and showing how productive he can be with an increased role in the offense down the stretch, catching 6 touchdowns over the final eight games last season. Furthermore, he has massive touchdown upside as a 6`3, physical target in the absence of threats outside of tight end Coby Fleener. Bottom line, Michael Thomas is in line for a WR1 role in the Saints’ offense next season with a hall of fame quarterback throwing him the ball and a lack of competition around him.

 

Rebuttals: What Are The Negatives For Each Player?

Michael Thomas (WR, NO) Had A Deceptive Level of Success Last Season – Jason Katz

I don’t dislike Michael Thomas. Not at all. Typically I’d prefer the newer, younger player over the older guy. I would love to want to draft Thomas this year. Unfortunately, he’s simply overpriced at his second round ADP.

A review of the film from 2016 shows an effective Thomas…when he’s operating against the opposing team’s second cornerback. The fantasy community is severely undervaluing how helpful Brandin Cooks’ presence was for Michael Thomas. Cooks is an elite talent that demanded the attention of the opponent’s top corner. Drew Brees is one of the best quarterbacks of all time. When defenses keyed in on Cooks, he threw to Thomas. However, when Thomas started torching secondary defenders, opposing coaches would have no choice but to change things up and sometimes put the top corner on Thomas. When that happened, Thomas struggled.

In 2016, the Saints had one of the easiest strengths of schedule for wide receivers. In 2017, they project for the seventh most difficult schedule. The increased difficulty of opponents combined with the lack of Brandin Cooks to command attention leads to concerns about how well Thomas will produce.

Thomas is both a real life and fantasy WR2 masquerading as a WR1. I find it hard to believe Thomas will be four rounds better than “Fast” Willie Snead, who I greatly prefer at his 7.02 standard ADP. Thomas is currently the seventh receiver off the board. That number should be more like 12-15, which is about where I’d expect Thomas to finish. Meanwhile, Jordy Nelson is the sixth receiver off the board, which is right where I expect him to be when the season ends. This is a rare case where Nelson is both the safer pick and the one with the higher ceiling. Take the guy with the proven track record in the second round.

 

Jordy Nelson (WR, GB) Doesn’t Have the Upside of a True WR1 – Taylor Maxston

Let me start by saying that I love Jordy Nelson. He’s been the centerpiece to many high-flying Green Bay Packer offenses, consistently providing quarterback Aaron Rodgers with a dangerous weapon that mad everyone around him better. While it’s true that the 2016 Nelson who produced copious amounts of fantasy points is not the same player we are used to seeing, the change in his playing style is indicative of a greater downward trend. Don’t get me wrong, he will still be a top 12 wide-out in 2017, but so many situational factors are going to make it difficult for him to live up to the production we saw over the last few seasons.

Jordy Nelson is hitting an age that is notoriously recognized as the point of decline for wide receivers, especially in fantasy football. Over the last 10 years, only two of 71 wide receivers from age 32 onward have finished in the top five of fantasy scoring, meaning he lacks the upside of a conventional WR1. There were also signs of decline last season that are obvious red flags, with Nelson’s 13.4 yards per reception taking a knock down to 12.8 from week 9 onward and a career low 8.3 yards per target to finish the 2016 season. With Nelson having just turned 32 in May, father time is a legitimate concern even for a player who has adapted his game to his limitations.

What’s more, this 2017 Packers offense has plenty of mouths to feed. Davante Adams has an entire off-season to continue to build trust with his quarterback, a healthy Randall Cobb will bounce back to form when he saw 256 targets in the 2014 and 2015 seasons, and tight end Martellus Bennett will compete for targets over the middle. Don’t expect a repeat performance of Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball 610 times last season either. Green Bay opted to try and fix their woeful secondary in the draft with second-round pick Kevin King and drafted three running backs in an attempt to re-establish some form of ground game.

I expect Jordy Nelson's ADP to creep up to the late first/early second round come August, a price that’s personally too rich for my blood. With more competition and fewer targets, Jordy Nelson’s regression will be experienced all across the board compared to a Michael Thomas who faces less competition for both targets and red-zone opportunity.

 

More 2017 Fantasy Football Analysis




POPULAR FANTASY TOOLS

Expert Advice
Import Your Leagues
Weekly Rankings
Compare Any Players
Projections
Articles & Tools
Weekly Planner
24x7 News and Alerts

REAL-TIME FANTASY NEWS

Daniel Gafford

Uncertain For Friday's Game
Darius Garland

Ruled Out For Friday Against Spurs
Kristaps Porzingis

Tagged Questionable Against Nuggets
Jalen Johnson

Could Miss Second Straight Game
LaMelo Ball

Probable To Play Through Wrist Sprain Friday
Detroit Lions

Brian Branch Feared to Have Suffered an Achilles Injury
Tyler Herro

Uncertain For Magic Matchup
CFB

Arkansas Targeting Ron Roberts for Defensive Coordinator Job
Jayden Daniels

Tracking Towards a Week 14 Return
Justin Herbert

Trending in the Right Direction to Play Monday Night
Mathew Barzal

Leads Islanders Past Avalanche
Elias Lindholm

Posts Hat Trick of Assists Thursday
Leon Draisaitl

Notches Season-High Four Points in Thursday's Win
Connor McDavid

Nets 13th Career Hat Trick
Teuvo Teravainen

Expected to Be Fine After Thursday's Exit
Shane Pinto

Exits Loss With Injury
Joseph Woll

Sustains Lower-Body Injury Thursday
Ryan Flournoy

Heavily Involved After Teammate's Exit
Jahmyr Gibbs

Scores Three Times on Thursday Night Football
Josh Jacobs

Remains Limited with Knee Injury
CeeDee Lamb

Suffers Concussion in Week 14 Against Detroit
Jhostynxon Garcia

Pirates Acquire Jhostynxon Garcia From Red Sox
Draymond Green

Won't Return on Thursday Night
Kenneth Walker III

Remains Limited on Thursday
Kyren Williams

Limited Again with Ankle Injury
Davante Adams

Limited in Practice on Thursday
Cody Bellinger

Yankees Pushing Hard to Re-Sign Cody Bellinger
CFB

Penn State Eyeing Iowa State Coach Matt Campbell For Coaching Vacancy
Alex Bregman

Cubs Have Renewed Interest in Alex Bregman
Quinten Post

Set to Suit Up Versus Philadelphia
Amon-Ra St. Brown

Will Play on Thursday Night
Joel Embiid

Back on Thursday Night
Al Horford

Available on Thursday
Jonathan Kuminga

Cleared for Action on Thursday Night
Jusuf Nurkić

Jusuf Nurkic Out of Action Thursday
Terance Mann

Available Versus Utah
Kirill Marchenko

Returns From Four-Game Absence
De'Anthony Melton

to be Capped at 20 Minutes on Thursday
Carter Verhaeghe

Ready to Return Thursday
Scott Wedgewood

Skips Thursday's Game
Paolo Banchero

Upgraded to Questionable for Friday Night
Danila Yurov

Misses Second Straight Game
CFB

Billy Napier Finalizing Deal to Become James Madison's New Head Coach
Andrei Vasilevskiy

Unavailable Thursday
CFB

Buster Faulkner Set to Become Florida's New Offensive Coordinator
Dereck Lively II

to Seek "Multiple Opinions" on Right Foot Treatment
David Pastrnak

Still Out Thursday
Ryan McDonagh

Lightning Sign Ryan McDonagh to Three-Year Extension
Trayce Jackson-Davis

Set to Suit Up Thursday
Ja Morant

Considered Day-to-Day
Tee Higgins

Ready to Return After Full Practice?
Jimmy Butler III

Sidelined Thursday
Jayden Daniels

Practices in Full on Thursday
Jaylen Brown

Ruled Out Thursday Against the Wizards
Lamar Jackson

Expected to Play Against Steelers
Quentin Grimes

Is Ready to Return on Thursday
Deshaun Watson

Not Expected to Play This Year
CFB

Joe Sloan Expected to be Kentucky's New Offensive Coordinator
Justin Herbert

Chargers "Really Optimistic" That Justin Herbert Will Play on Monday
CFB

Lane Kiffin Working to Keep Defensive Coordinator Blake Baker at LSU
Mike Evans

has "Real Chance" to Return in Week 14
Amon-Ra St. Brown

Realistic Expectation is for Amon-Ra St. Brown to Return Next Week
Jalen Carter

Won't Play in Week 14 After Having Shoulder Surgeries
Justin Herbert

Expected to Practice Either Thursday or Friday
Mike Evans

Practicing Again Thursday
CFB

Brian Daboll a Candidate for Penn State Head-Coaching Job?
Karel Vejmelka

Records Impressive Shutout
JJ Peterka

Rocks Ducks With Four-Point Effort
Cole Caufield

Extends Point Streak With Power-Play Assist
Matvei Michkov

Delivers Two Assists Wednesday
Jake Oettinger

Grabs Fourth Consecutive Victory With Shutout
Ryan Leonard

Tallies Four Points in Wednesday's Win
Cam York

Exits Win Early
Kyle Tucker

Visits With Blue Jays
Emilio Pagán

Reds Bring Back Closer Emilio Pagan on Two-Year Deal
Cedric Mullins

Rays Agree on One-Year Deal
Freddy Peralta

Brewers Considering Trading Freddy Peralta
Kyle Schwarber

Reds Serious About Adding Kyle Schwarber in Free Agency?
CFB

Brent Key Signing Five-Year Deal to Remain at Georgia Tech
CFB

Brian Hartline Expected to Land USF Head-Coaching Job
CFB

Collin Klein Expected to be Top Target for Kansas State if Head-Coach Job Opens
CFB

Chris Klieman Considering Stepping Down at Kansas State
CFB

D.J. Durkin Staying at Auburn Under Alex Golesh
CFB

Charlie Weis Jr. Permitted to Coach Ole Miss Offense in College Football Playoff
CFB

Five-Star Quarterback Jared Curtis Flips Commitment From Georgia to Vanderbilt
CFB

Florida Hiring Brad White as Defensive Coordinator
Kyle Schwarber

Giants Have Checked in on Kyle Schwarber
Willson Contreras

Willing to Waive his Full No-Trade Clause?
Edwin Díaz

Mets Still Interested in Re-Signing Edwin Diaz
Devin Williams

Agrees to Three-Year Deal With Mets
Cole Ragans

Red Sox Targeting Cole Ragans in a Trade?
CFB

Kentucky Hires Oregon Offensive Coordinator Will Stein As Head Coach
CFB

Kalani Sitake the Top Target for Penn State Coaching Job
CFB

Josh Heupel Says He's Not a Candidate for Penn State Head Coach Job
CFB

Will Stein, Brian Hartline the Top Candidates for Kentucky Job?
CFB

Nebraska Fires Defensive Coordinator John Butler After One Season
CFB

UCLA Expected to Hire Bob Chesney as Next Head Coach
Zack Wheeler

Likely to Return in May
Ryan Helsley

Agrees to Two-Year Deal With Orioles

RANKINGS

QB
RB
WR
TE
K
DEF
RANKINGS
C
1B
2B
3B
SS
OF
SP
RP